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	<title>Comments on: The Forgotten Factor: Land Prices</title>
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		<title>By: Anne Schmid</title>
		<link>http://www.prosper.org.au/2009/06/11/the-forgotten-factor-land-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-1944</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Schmid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick your examples show clearly that we must get to the source of the problem if we are serious about a cohesive  economy.  We maintain that we must educate people to see the benefits of  government revenue sourced from land and natural resources with a reduction on other forms of taxation. The sound base for a land tax would help to bring responsibility back into government. It is not the role of government to grant privileges to sectional interests but to govern for all people. I note your skepticism but we must continue to work for justice. 

There are many studies that show that a land tax invigorates the community. See  our websites.  
Land is a forgotten factor in the sense that society does not adequately discuss land issues . We continually see headings such as “Hut without a roof sold for $2million”  The GFC is explained without acknowledging the dominance of the land factor.  Economic and social issues are discussed as though there is nothing that can be done about the price of land or the lack of infrastructure in our growth areas.  These issues need a real airing. Will the Henry Review into Taxation seriously consider a land tax? And if it does will the Federal Government carry out the recommendations? More than likely the usual preferred option which is to placate the land lobby with a minimal consideration of land tax will take place. When do you last see representatives from Prosper Australia and the Land Values Research Group being given an opportunity to give the land angle in our media, and yet workable land management is essential to our economic health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick your examples show clearly that we must get to the source of the problem if we are serious about a cohesive  economy.  We maintain that we must educate people to see the benefits of  government revenue sourced from land and natural resources with a reduction on other forms of taxation. The sound base for a land tax would help to bring responsibility back into government. It is not the role of government to grant privileges to sectional interests but to govern for all people. I note your skepticism but we must continue to work for justice. </p>
<p>There are many studies that show that a land tax invigorates the community. See  our websites.<br />
Land is a forgotten factor in the sense that society does not adequately discuss land issues . We continually see headings such as “Hut without a roof sold for $2million”  The GFC is explained without acknowledging the dominance of the land factor.  Economic and social issues are discussed as though there is nothing that can be done about the price of land or the lack of infrastructure in our growth areas.  These issues need a real airing. Will the Henry Review into Taxation seriously consider a land tax? And if it does will the Federal Government carry out the recommendations? More than likely the usual preferred option which is to placate the land lobby with a minimal consideration of land tax will take place. When do you last see representatives from Prosper Australia and the Land Values Research Group being given an opportunity to give the land angle in our media, and yet workable land management is essential to our economic health.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Marshall</title>
		<link>http://www.prosper.org.au/2009/06/11/the-forgotten-factor-land-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-1935</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We already have land tax in Queensland on aggregate unimproved value above $600k. Ireland has experimented with wealth/property taxes several times over the last 30 years only to see property prices rise exponentially in the decade from 1996. The idea that government will lower other taxes because of the revenue raised from property tax is laughable. Governments simply waste money as they are doing now with the extraordinary levels of stimulus spending. If governments wanted a re-set of property prices so that younger people would only have to outlay a maximum of 3 times annual average wages/salary for homes, then they would abandon Ist home owner grants, restore the capital gains tax and price indexation and allow interest cost deduction. Stamp duty would be removed from property transactions but local councils would be allowed to capture a part of the revaluation that accompanies rezoning. A typical example of unearned gain has recently happened in my town whereby a 5 acre nursery was rezoned with plannng approval. This property was sold to a developer for $4 million who was using Federal &quot;affordable housing&quot; development funds to make the purchase. The out of town developer signed on the contract without negotiation on the price despite the best offer from the two biggest developers in town offering less than $3 million previously. The local council will be responsible for all the extra infrastructure required but only gain an increased annual rate base for the 100+ apartments replacing a nursery and single dwelling rate. In addition, the property was originally purchased for about $100k just prior to September 1985 so capital gains is foregone. In other words, local ratepayers will be subsidising the lucky vendor&#039;s gain. This happens all over Australia all the time and must partly explain why infrastructure in regional towns like Cairns is under so much pressure. I am not in favour of taxes for re-distributing wealth per se but clearly we would not have a functioning 1st world society with out some form of contribution. To that end, taxes should be levied and spent at the local level. Especially in Australia where most tax is raised from the regions (resources) but spent in the metropololis where the voter concentration is greatest.It has recently been calculated that Nth Qld has been short changed $12 billion over the last decade by state and federal governments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We already have land tax in Queensland on aggregate unimproved value above $600k. Ireland has experimented with wealth/property taxes several times over the last 30 years only to see property prices rise exponentially in the decade from 1996. The idea that government will lower other taxes because of the revenue raised from property tax is laughable. Governments simply waste money as they are doing now with the extraordinary levels of stimulus spending. If governments wanted a re-set of property prices so that younger people would only have to outlay a maximum of 3 times annual average wages/salary for homes, then they would abandon Ist home owner grants, restore the capital gains tax and price indexation and allow interest cost deduction. Stamp duty would be removed from property transactions but local councils would be allowed to capture a part of the revaluation that accompanies rezoning. A typical example of unearned gain has recently happened in my town whereby a 5 acre nursery was rezoned with plannng approval. This property was sold to a developer for $4 million who was using Federal &#8220;affordable housing&#8221; development funds to make the purchase. The out of town developer signed on the contract without negotiation on the price despite the best offer from the two biggest developers in town offering less than $3 million previously. The local council will be responsible for all the extra infrastructure required but only gain an increased annual rate base for the 100+ apartments replacing a nursery and single dwelling rate. In addition, the property was originally purchased for about $100k just prior to September 1985 so capital gains is foregone. In other words, local ratepayers will be subsidising the lucky vendor&#8217;s gain. This happens all over Australia all the time and must partly explain why infrastructure in regional towns like Cairns is under so much pressure. I am not in favour of taxes for re-distributing wealth per se but clearly we would not have a functioning 1st world society with out some form of contribution. To that end, taxes should be levied and spent at the local level. Especially in Australia where most tax is raised from the regions (resources) but spent in the metropololis where the voter concentration is greatest.It has recently been calculated that Nth Qld has been short changed $12 billion over the last decade by state and federal governments.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.prosper.org.au/2009/06/11/the-forgotten-factor-land-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-1874</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 05:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I selected this item, I thought it might have something to say about the treatment of land pricing within the CPI.  Land is excluded supposedly because it can&#039;t be consumed.  This is obviously wrong (at least to anyone with a farming background).  Yet land &quot;value&quot; has everything to do with taxation.  This might be the nexus of govt manipulation.  A situation where govt decides the value will always be fraught with political ideology.  Such a system could enable starvation as an extreme possibility (eg a farmer improves his land, and govt increases the levy - great system ! (not)).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I selected this item, I thought it might have something to say about the treatment of land pricing within the CPI.  Land is excluded supposedly because it can&#8217;t be consumed.  This is obviously wrong (at least to anyone with a farming background).  Yet land &#8220;value&#8221; has everything to do with taxation.  This might be the nexus of govt manipulation.  A situation where govt decides the value will always be fraught with political ideology.  Such a system could enable starvation as an extreme possibility (eg a farmer improves his land, and govt increases the levy &#8211; great system ! (not)).</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Cavill</title>
		<link>http://www.prosper.org.au/2009/06/11/the-forgotten-factor-land-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-1706</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Cavill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually all the points made above have merit to some degree but.. one thing about land is its a limited resource and will have the same boom/bust cycles as the market based economy has this is the basis of supply/demand. This cannot be circumvented except by strict economy regulated government control in which case you become socialist and that is proven not to work as well, you cant mixmaster it as has been tried and failed. As to the artificial inflation of pricing this is actually due to government interference anyway so perhaps a new way is needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually all the points made above have merit to some degree but.. one thing about land is its a limited resource and will have the same boom/bust cycles as the market based economy has this is the basis of supply/demand. This cannot be circumvented except by strict economy regulated government control in which case you become socialist and that is proven not to work as well, you cant mixmaster it as has been tried and failed. As to the artificial inflation of pricing this is actually due to government interference anyway so perhaps a new way is needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Kavanagh</title>
		<link>http://www.prosper.org.au/2009/06/11/the-forgotten-factor-land-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-1605</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Kavanagh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Supra Omnis&quot; may be correct about problems brought about by unnecessary government intervention, but obviously does not understand the so-called land market. It&#039;s not a market at all - until a far greater proportion of the publicly-generated annual rent of each site is taken for the public purse (instead of taxes).

Otherwise, speculators and monoploists will sit on vacant land until a land-hungry community has to meet their blackmail prices. Capture more rent and you&#039;ll create a genuine land market, because land prices will tend to decline as such people are driven out of the market. Nor could we then experience worldwide these bubbles in land prices that burst and bring on recession and depression.

But I don&#039;t expect to convince, &quot;Super Omnis&quot; because logic is clearly not his/her strong suit: &quot;Churchill was an alcoholic!&quot; means that he was totally incompetent? Churchill, of course, proves that some alcoholics remain contributors to society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Supra Omnis&#8221; may be correct about problems brought about by unnecessary government intervention, but obviously does not understand the so-called land market. It&#8217;s not a market at all &#8211; until a far greater proportion of the publicly-generated annual rent of each site is taken for the public purse (instead of taxes).</p>
<p>Otherwise, speculators and monoploists will sit on vacant land until a land-hungry community has to meet their blackmail prices. Capture more rent and you&#8217;ll create a genuine land market, because land prices will tend to decline as such people are driven out of the market. Nor could we then experience worldwide these bubbles in land prices that burst and bring on recession and depression.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t expect to convince, &#8220;Super Omnis&#8221; because logic is clearly not his/her strong suit: &#8220;Churchill was an alcoholic!&#8221; means that he was totally incompetent? Churchill, of course, proves that some alcoholics remain contributors to society.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Fitzgerald</title>
		<link>http://www.prosper.org.au/2009/06/11/the-forgotten-factor-land-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-1603</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 02:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Supra,

Churchill probably became an alcoholic because he knew how the people were being played as pawns via the privatisation of publicly created ground rent. The free market delivers free lunch to owners of prime locations due to scarcity rents. Did that person do anything to earn the massive upkick in land values? As you say in Oz, yes govt interference in the market (FHOG) is a problem. Govt refusal to harness the economic rent as per the wishes of Adam Smith, Ricardo, JS MIll and yes, Henry George, allowed the land based bubble to outstrip wages by what %? Thats the bigger picture. 

How is affordability going in Sydney?

By capturing this land bounty we can remove the deadweight taxes &amp; compliance costs that inefficient revenue raising mechanisms such as GST, payroll, stamp duty and even income tax impose on productive entrepreneurs. Our tax system is full of magnetic loopholes for speculators rather than entrepreneurs. Is the pain the underemployed are feeling worth it? 

Perhaps you could watch &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prosper.org.au/2009/05/29/economic-rent-hudson/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MIchael Hudson on economic rent&lt;/a&gt;.
Also read Gavin Putland&#039;s work over at LVRG, including his latest on &lt;a href=&quot;http://lvrg.org.au/blog/2009/06/from-subprime-to-terrigenous-recession.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Recessions Begin at Home&lt;/a&gt; to understand these points in more detail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Supra,</p>
<p>Churchill probably became an alcoholic because he knew how the people were being played as pawns via the privatisation of publicly created ground rent. The free market delivers free lunch to owners of prime locations due to scarcity rents. Did that person do anything to earn the massive upkick in land values? As you say in Oz, yes govt interference in the market (FHOG) is a problem. Govt refusal to harness the economic rent as per the wishes of Adam Smith, Ricardo, JS MIll and yes, Henry George, allowed the land based bubble to outstrip wages by what %? Thats the bigger picture. </p>
<p>How is affordability going in Sydney?</p>
<p>By capturing this land bounty we can remove the deadweight taxes &#038; compliance costs that inefficient revenue raising mechanisms such as GST, payroll, stamp duty and even income tax impose on productive entrepreneurs. Our tax system is full of magnetic loopholes for speculators rather than entrepreneurs. Is the pain the underemployed are feeling worth it? </p>
<p>Perhaps you could watch <a href="http://www.prosper.org.au/2009/05/29/economic-rent-hudson/" rel="nofollow">MIchael Hudson on economic rent</a>.<br />
Also read Gavin Putland&#8217;s work over at LVRG, including his latest on <a href="http://lvrg.org.au/blog/2009/06/from-subprime-to-terrigenous-recession.html" rel="nofollow">Recessions Begin at Home</a> to understand these points in more detail.</p>
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		<title>By: Supra Omnis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Supra Omnis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article started out strongly, until the introduction of Henry George (Churchhill was an alcoholic!).

Do you not identify that government manipulation of the free-market is responsible for false valuation? and your solution is based on another form of government manipulation???

The free-market corrects speculative rises - it&#039;s called recession. During a recession, if the government avoids further manipulation through flawed Keynesian theory, it would not be compounded if &#039;stimulus&#039; is avoided - as &#039;stimulus&#039; is simply paid for by tax-payer debt which has to be serviced through higher taxes whilst trying to kick-start the economy at the same time - it doesn&#039;t help anyone. Lower taxes allow economies to flourish, not &#039;stimulus&#039;.

Freedom over collectivism.
Capitalism over Socialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article started out strongly, until the introduction of Henry George (Churchhill was an alcoholic!).</p>
<p>Do you not identify that government manipulation of the free-market is responsible for false valuation? and your solution is based on another form of government manipulation???</p>
<p>The free-market corrects speculative rises &#8211; it&#8217;s called recession. During a recession, if the government avoids further manipulation through flawed Keynesian theory, it would not be compounded if &#8216;stimulus&#8217; is avoided &#8211; as &#8216;stimulus&#8217; is simply paid for by tax-payer debt which has to be serviced through higher taxes whilst trying to kick-start the economy at the same time &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t help anyone. Lower taxes allow economies to flourish, not &#8216;stimulus&#8217;.</p>
<p>Freedom over collectivism.<br />
Capitalism over Socialism.</p>
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